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Market McSelling Alt
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Posted - 2015.01.06 20:35:32 -
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Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:Stuffz
No, it isn't opinion it is fact. Kell is correct. If Code. ganks non-botters it raises the value of the minerals bots fund their accounts with and the reason they mine in the first place.
You can't dismiss economics 101 as opinion just because it doesn't fit with your "eve is badass" mindset. |
Market McSelling Alt
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Posted - 2015.01.06 23:23:44 -
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Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:More circular reasoning In other words you are unable to prove your claim that your opinion is actually a fact, but are too stubborn to admit it. Opinion: You're a troll. Fact: Your opinion isn't a fact.
Again... the only troll here is you.
Less Materials, higher price for like kind demand.
AND if you gank a procurer, you are INCREASING demand for materials because of the lost miner ship AND the gank vessel.
So Bots win twice, demand for minerals increases AND their competition just got eliminated albeit temporarily.
This really isn't debatable, its fact. It is math. |
Market McSelling Alt
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Posted - 2015.01.06 23:32:34 -
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Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:Quote:Less Materials, higher price for like kind demand.
AND if you gank a procurer, you are INCREASING demand for materials because of the lost miner ship AND the gank vessel. I never said otherwise. My problem is with Lucas presenting his opinion as fact. [quote]So Bots win twice, demand for minerals increases AND their competition just got eliminated albeit temporarily. This really isn't debatable, its fact. It is math. That only works if there is a shortage of minerals, if anything the contrary is true, there is a glut of minerals, some of which is down to bots.
So where is your evidence that there is a glut of minerals? You are now just pulling economic assumptions from your rear. And if you continue to gank miners there wouldn't be a glut for long even if there was one to begin with. |
Market McSelling Alt
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Posted - 2015.01.06 23:35:27 -
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Law of Supply: At higher prices, a larger quantity will generally be supplied than at lower prices, all other things being equal.
ShortageGÇöexcess quantity demanded or insufficient quantity supplied. Difference between the quantity demanded and supplied at a specific price below the market clearing price.
ResourcesGÇö(or Factors of Production) Are Scarce
Production Possibilities CurveGÇöa curve representing all possible combinations of total output that could be produced assuming (a) a fixed amount of productive resources and (b) the efficient use of those resources
Two of the most basic Macroeconomic principles that anyone in a 100 level class would be taught. This guy is denying hundreds of years of practice and education to support ganking as something more noble than it is. |
Market McSelling Alt
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Posted - 2015.01.06 23:45:32 -
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Renegade Heart wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Fact: Ganking non-bot miners is beneficial to botters. This is like saying that paying your taxes benefits crooks in jails. I mean, yeah it might. But maybe people ought not to be crooks? Should people not pay taxes then? Ganking benefits the whole of New Eden. But there are bad apples out there. They should be thrown in the trash! Not the rule-abiding noble ganker! Is botting noble? Just like a law-abiding tax payer is not bad for "helping" crooks in jail.
No it is more like saying that robbing a bank helps the bank across the street. If you eliminate the competition, whether intentional or not, the remaining suppliers benefit.
Look at the movie Forest Gump, the dude had the last shrimp boat and became a millionaire. He didn't cause the hurricane, but he was in the last supplier left. |
Market McSelling Alt
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Posted - 2015.01.06 23:56:42 -
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Black Pedro wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:
Two of the most basic Macroeconomic principles that anyone in a 100 level class would be taught. This guy is denying hundreds of years of practice and education to support ganking as something more noble than it is.
While I take issue with your assertion that ganking isn't noble - New Order gankers are probably some of the most noble players in the game as they are not motivated primarily by ISK, and thier good work enforces the risk In highsec intended to make Eve a more interesting game - arguing that gankers drive up the value of minerals is helping botters is inane. Anyone ganking anything drives up the value of minerals. Should we tell everyone to stop shooting each other and call off all wars as it just helps the botters? This is so far off topic I suggest people bring the focus back to the OP. How is the latest rebellion going? Do you have a website yet where I can follow your progress?
I would never suggest that ganking is wrong or bad. I simply am saying that Code is not doing it for the pvp, the isk, the bot-removal or for fun. They are doing it to grief, that is all. Anyone who has been attempted recruited into the organization, anyone who ever was and anyone with access to their information can tell you that their sole purpose in life is to make players quit, or at least quit playing in high-sec.
That is not noble. Ganking a rookie ship with 72bil in plex in the hold? That is down right awesome. |
Market McSelling Alt
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Posted - 2015.01.07 00:05:47 -
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Hiasa Kite wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:They are doing it to grief, that is all. Or returning risk-reward back to HiSec mining, or helping players learn the game, or encouraging players to do something more fun with their free time. No? No, they are bad, bad people incapable of doing good things. This has got absolutely nothing to do with the fact you can't see anything in any way apart from your own point of view. Grr! Do as I say or I will tell CCP!
Interfering with a players desired gameplay technique or trying to force players to play a certain way is griefing and absolutely horrible. But like Kell said, it isn't up to me or you, it is up to CCP and one day I am sure they will get fed up with it like they did Isboxer and FW exploits. |
Market McSelling Alt
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Posted - 2015.01.15 03:29:23 -
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So let us just come right out and say it.
Gankers hide behind "EVE is about PvP" when justifying their terrorism
Someone please justify Player versus Player being about attacking a ship that has absolutely no possible legitimate way of gaining aggro on itself. There is no offensive weapons on a freighter, no possible way to attack anything. So how again is that PvP? It isn't.
More important, If you guys want to keep bumping a legit mechanic in the game, I want pilots in ships with no aggression capabilities to be immune from aggro timers. Meaning you get 60 seconds to blow it or it disappears regardless of what you do.
Oh, I forgot, you will just call me something unkind, because anything harder than Group Weapns, F1, Scoop, mock in local is too advanced for ya. |
Market McSelling Alt
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Posted - 2015.01.15 04:50:02 -
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Darek Castigatus wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:So let us just come right out and say it.
Gankers hide behind "EVE is about PvP" when justifying their terrorism
Someone please justify Player versus Player being about attacking a ship that has absolutely no possible legitimate way of gaining aggro on itself. There is no offensive weapons on a freighter, no possible way to attack anything. So how again is that PvP? It isn't.
More important, If you guys want to keep bumping a legit mechanic in the game, I want pilots in ships with no aggression capabilities to be immune from aggro timers. Meaning you get 60 seconds to blow it or it disappears regardless of what you do.
Oh, I forgot, you will just call me something unkind, because anything harder than Group Weapns, F1, Scoop, mock in local is too advanced for ya. Exhibit fuckknowswhatletterwe'vegottobynow in the case file of 'people who whine about ganking rather than using the well documented methods of defending themselves'. And to answer your question theres a player on each side therefore its pvp, everything else is just argueing defenitions.
First, there is no counter to bumping except bumping... so no
Second, by your very definition a production character building a ship and selling it is PVP... and I know you didn't just call that pvp. |
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Posted - 2015.01.15 05:28:22 -
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"Not being there in the first place"
Denying part of the game is now a counter to a creative abuse of the game system. Nice
That isn't a counter, it's called being an *******. |
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